So not long after that, I went into this really intensive training and development to become a facilitator from one of the world’s largest personal development companies. I traveled all over the world during that time. I delivered programs to just about every corner of the planet that you can imagine. And then about five years ago, I quit that. I stopped doing that. And I went into my own little private coaching business. So anyway, I was coaching, like CEOs, major business owners, and some athletes on how to handle their lives, how to be somebody who can perform, how you could be somebody who can take what you’re doing to a different level, by uncovering something important about yourself. I continue to do that. My business was thriving, it was doing awesome.

My marketing people asked me if I would be willing to write a book. After that, I can’t get over the idea that I was resisting. I didn’t want to do it. But after I got over that, I thought, well, if I’m going to do this, I’m going to do it right. So I spent about a year writing the book. The book is kind of grounding in very much how… it was my first book, which is grounded in the water, the methods that I used to coach people. I self-published it. And in something, like five and a half months, we sold 30,000 copies. So I knew I was onto something that people wanted too. And I should add, by the way, that I know my books of curse words in the title, it seems fairly popular, no? You have a curse word in the title of your book. It was not popular when I did that. It made marketing my book a lot harder than it is now.

Robert Leonard 4:12
Why didn’t they like it? Because when you said that that made it harder to market. I was kind of surprised by that.

Gary John Bishop 4:16
Yeah, it makes it stand out. But you can’t advertise. So you can’t… But you try boosting a post on Facebook, it will get rejected. I tried putting on Instagram, but it was also rejected. I tried buying an ad on Amazon, they won’t accept that. There was nowhere online that would let me advertise my book. Because I said, here’s the title of book. No, we don’t do that. There’s an expletive in the title. But no, it made it really hard.

And then, it was the same like getting on the radio or TV or something to talk about the book. But no one was into… I mean since then, I’ve done a bunch of stuff on TV. But three years ago, you know, I mean, they were just “No way!” You can imagine going onto the Today Show, right? You know, what are they going to do with it? But the response to the books has been so overwhelming that in many ways, a lot of media outlets really don’t have a choice, because the demand is there. People want to hear me talk. I wasn’t willing. Teachers cannot water it down to make it safe for precious ears or something, you know? I respect other people, like you know, they find their fans, I respect that. But at the same time, I’m not backing off, because I didn’t want to get to the age of 60 or 70 or 80 and feel like you know, I should have done… I’m not doing that life. I’m doing that life where it’s like I’m all in and it went away.

Robert Leonard 5:38
So is that why you had to self-publish rather than going through the traditional publishing route?

Gary John Bishop 5:42
Well, I didn’t go through the traditional publishing route, because I just didn’t fancy my chances. You know, I mean, it seemed like there was just too much. What I felt was if people were, with all the best intention. But I thought people were emboldening and empowering people being victimized. You can do it after the way all those people treated you or which is fine to a point. But I was more, I wanted to use some really powerful philosophy, that my work is based in the work of people who I would say are a gazillion times smarter than I am. But I wanted it to be philosophically sound. And, you know, my interest is in existentialism. It’s kind of like what I’m… that’s I guess you would say that’s kind of the little space where I can I burrow away in. And a fundamental tenant of existentialism is responsibility. At some point, if you want to get out the whole, you have to realize you should put yourself in it. And so a lot of my kind of talks and stuff that I was putting online in my book, flew in the face of a lot of personal growth work. It was like, and I even said it at the time, I’m like, the anti-self help self help guy.

Robert Leonard 7:04
Arguably, more than ever, that people are putting the blame on everybody else rather than themselves and taking responsibility for it. How can and should someone fix this type of dynamic in their life?

Gary John Bishop 7:15
First of all, I don’t buy into societies doing this to me, right? I don’t buy into that. I’ve turned out the way I’ve turned out because of certain agreements that I’ve made along the way. But I might have agreed with what somebody else said. I might have said I don’t agree. But somewhere in here I agreed, right? So if somebody says you don’t lose here and somewhere in here I went, “Yes, I am.” So I don’t… I cannot ascribe to the notion that the sun can have a big influence outside me. That’s working to kind of dominate the… I don’t, I don’t ascribe to that.

First of all, I just don’t think human beings are that smart, that they’re all getting together to get at me, you know? And it’s all coordinated channel. However, I am and for, but I’m influenced by… it’s up to me what I’m influenced by. So I don’t blame people, for instance, for blaming other people. I don’t think that’s the shock of the universe, right? Like, “Oh, my gosh, you blame other people? When did you start that?” I mean, we’re kind of… It’s kind of how we do this life.

We wait, we grow into an environment where we learn that accepting responsibility is some kind of burden. It means I’m to blame for something, that I’m in trouble, right? Which is not the responsibility that I talk about. The responsibility that I talk about is much more, I can tell, ownership. Like, I might not have had a say, you know, a lot of this stuff that’s happened in my life. But I have the say on where this is going now or how this unfolds in front of me.

And it feels like I’m up against… I’m probably know what I’m picking up but it certainly feels like I’m up against societal conversation for people that have been victimized, right? I’m somehow not compassionate for people that have been victimized, when nothing could be further from the truth. There’s a massive difference between being victimized about something, and then becoming a victim as a way of life.

So I can be the victim of something, for sure. But the thing is, does it become a way of life? And so those people that has become a way of life, I assert, they don’t want to live that way. They kind of got stuck that way. And that’s where I come along, to give people an alternative to get out of whatever situation they are stuck in, this situation they’ve gotten themselves into.

Robert Leonard 9:41
Jocko Willink wrote the book “Extreme Ownership” where he talks about taking extreme ownership of your responsibilities and things like that. So this idea of, of not blaming others, and really taking responsibility and not being the victim of things, help people achieve their potential in business.

Gary John Bishop 9:57
My success has got nothing to do with you. Whether I’m successful or not, has got nothing to do with you. And I mean, like nothing and my accomplishments in life, I don’t need permission for them. I’m not out to make somebody like me or something. I’m not out to have your agreement to my success. I do things in such a way that you have no choice but to buy it. You don’t experience any choice. You feel as if you have to buy it, because it’s so what I want it to be, righ? So that includes my books. I do sell those kinds of things. I know people will respond to it, because I made it that way. I made it so that it would speak to you, like it would really get to you. And not in a kind of superfluous way, but in a way that resonates with you.

So there’s no like, I’m not trying to get somewhere. I really don’t have that experience of way in life where I’m here and I’m trying to get all from there. My experience of life is that I’m at work. I’m just presenting and presenting and presenting an unstoppable case for what I’m doing. And I just keep doing that every day. Just an unstoppable case for what I’m doing. Now, if you think about business, they give us a major business. It took on an hour… We start at the end of everything ideal where I start at the end. Okay, you start with “There I am. It’s done.” Okay, what am I doing right now that’s aligned with that, right? Or what’s in the way right now of that thing? I mean, I have a lot of failures. But I don’t have the experience of that I’m up against that. I certainly don’t ascribe to things like luck. You know, I mean, I do ascribe to timing. Well, sometimes the timing is not right.

But ultimately, my success, and everybody who’s listening to this right now, you’re the only one that’s going to make it happen. And sometimes you have people that don’t agree with you. Sometimes people will advise you in something else, and think you should do this, and that and this, and this is all fine. But ultimately, your success… It’s on you, and it’s down to you. And you’re either gonna come from this space of like, this kind of unstoppable force of nature that just relentlessly keeps putting out. And again, in business, it would be like, “Am I taking the actions that are consistent with the outcome that I said would happen? Or am I getting distracted? Am I falling down into a rabbit hole? Am I continually, every day, as I call it, revealing the future that I created? Am I revealing it? Or is it still out of touch? Is that a little closer? Is it a day closer. Is it two weeks closer?” So my view of success is all just a matter of when. It’s nothing to deal with if it happens or not now.

Robert Leonard 12:54
And you talk a lot there about action and having to actually take action. And that brings me to my favorite quotes in your first book where you said, “You are not your thoughts. You are your actions. You are what you do. And your actions are the only thing separating you from where you are and where you want to be.”

Gary John Bishop 13:11
So if you think about it for a moment. And I know that statement at the time went so against what was popular in the self-development space. The person, the self-development space at the time was saying stuff like, “Change your thoughts, change your life.” You can change your thoughts and still do the same stuff. If you examine your own life, if you look at life, as a thing, as an abstract concept, life only ever moves in the paradigm of action. It only changes in the paradigm of action. You don’t change your life by any other vehicle. And you can take that statement and run it down as many rabbit holes as you like. And you’ll come back to that… it’s about as close to a truth as you’ll get anywhere, given that life only changes in the paradigm of action.

So that is… what if I want to lose weight? I will only lose weight by taking the actions that losing weight would do. I don’t get to lose weight by feeling more confident about it. If I want to change my career, I only get to do that. In the paradigm of action, I’m either going to change it, or I’m not going to do it. I might get more knowledge, I might feel better about it. But that won’t change it. So life only changes in the paradigm of action.

And again, this was like a big problem in the personal growth space at a time when I released my first book, because it was so focused on how you feel. So people were reading books, trying to feel different, so that they could then do different. So the way I’m going to read this confidence book, because clearly, I need some confidence. And in my second book, I blow up the whole myth. Confidence.

Confidence is a myth, right? And particularly in sports, where I have coached some high performance people, because you hear it in sports all the time. People say stuff like, “Oh, yeah, she just needs a bit more confidence.” And then I think, well, how did she get it in the first place? “Oh, she got it by hitting some shots.” Okay, was the confidence there when she had the shots then, the first time? And the answer is no. How you break out of a slump is by hitting a shot. You don’t break out of a slump by getting confidence in having a shot. You actually had the shot, then get the confidence, which tells you that human beings can perform, even when they don’t feel like they can. Human beings can do when they don’t feel like doing. Human beings can operate in ways that go beyond their current internal state.

So the whole point that I wanted people to get is, get your eye on the prize. What is it that you’re out to get done? But if you focus on changing how you feel about what you’re going to get done, that’ll be a long pathway, which again, tests a lot of the mindset people, because they were like, “No, no. Positive mindset.” Like, some of the greatest things I’ve done in my life, I’ve done it with a negative mindset. How does that even equate? Then I would be screwed. You know, I wrote my first book and my thoughts almost every day were “This sucks, and I can’t do it.”

And I did. And then I did it. And I think that’s the same for many people, and many people who are listening to this right now. You don’t need to be positive to do positive things, to do confident things. You don’t need to experience courage to do courageous things. But what you have to do is take the actions that would be an example of you being courageous. I’m not saying fake it, I’m saying do it. I’m not asking you to fake courage. You can say I’m terrified and do it. You say I have no confidence and deal with it. I’m not saying fake it, I’m just saying you can be authentic. And so you know, I feel like this way, but I’m going to act this way. You know, like, I’m pretty much the living evidence of what I’m saying. Like, if I lived my life completely by how I feel, I think I’ll spend about 80% of it in my bed.

Robert Leonard 17:28
That is so so interesting to me. Because you hear so many people these days, you know, you have to have a positive mindset, you have to go into it with a positive mind. It’s so interesting that you kind of take that and flip it on its head. Do you think having a positive mindset helps? Or do you think it doesn’t have any effect?

Gary John Bishop 17:46
Yeah, but it’s not necessary. You know, I’m not gonna spend my life working on how to get positive as life is like skimming past me. And I’m like, I’ll get with you guys in a minute once I’m more positive. It’s very freeing to understand that your life only ever changes in a paradigm of action. It’s very freeing, because you can take actions all the time. And there’s many, many, many people in our society that think because they feel a certain negative way, there’s something wrong with them, or they’re broken, or something is not right with them. And I want you to get that you’re not broken, you know? If you want, you can change your life just like everybody else.

So I’ve always kind of had this skepticism for this drive towards positivity. You know, if you want to be positive, I’m fine with that. That’s good for you. But to then hold everybody else to that standard, and then come up with the idea that unless you’re positive, you can’t do something? Well, that’s just a big lie. That’s just a big lie. And I really also feel that as part of a very healthy relationship with yourself, is to embrace all of your states, ot just your positive ones, but your negative ones also, like the ones that say I can’t do it, just embrace it. It’s fine. It’s okay that you say that to yourself. So many people I’ve met over the years, you know, like, I don’t believe in myself. I say, I don’t care, do it anyway. I don’t need you to believe in yourself, which is another great illusion, that you have to believe in yourself. You don’t have to believe in yourself. You can actually do it anyway. You can believe that you can’t do it and still do it, right? They can co-exist. All you need is just to understand the places where you typically back out. And in those moments, push through.

Robert Leonard 19:35
What are people’s objections after you tell them that? Because that’s usually their only excuse. And once you take that away, they have nothing else.

Gary John Bishop 19:45
So amazing how when you kind of dismantle some of the fantasy that were built up in our own mind, okay? Look, I’m a human being too. I’m not on a plug here, you know, like I’m above everybody else. When you start to dismantle some of the kind of structures that people have put together to just keep living the life of God… some of the stuff that I propose to people, I say to them, “Look. Don’t believe me, just hang with it a bit. Just hang out with what I’m saying.” And in that process of you hanging out with, the truth will arise. You’ll see yourself and you’ll see that your life could change, and it could, you could start changing today, like at the end of this sentence, your life can begin changing.

Very often, like I said, I’ll find myself talking to people in such a way that actually argue… for they’ll make a case for why they should stay in it like they want to be in it. They’ll say, it can’t be done or you can’t. And I’m like, “Do you know you’ve actually given everybody your brain power to why it can’t be done?” Like, why aren’t you talking to me about, “Tell me, Mr. Scottish guy. Tell me how to do it.” It’s not…it’s, it’s “Oh, this is good. I mean, you’re making some very good points, but not for me or what worked for me, because when I was born, I never knew my parents. So our major life change is invariably very disruptive.” And for the most part, that’s what people are avoiding. People want radical change in a really comfortable way, you know, and say, “I want to make lots of money. Let me find out how to do that easily.” So they go online looking for something that they can do, right? Which you’re invariably limited because if you are… so finance is a good example. If you’re out to produce a financial result, beyond anything you’ve ever done, you’ve got to start looking at the things that you think you can’t do. Because the things that you think you can do, that’s what got you into the financial mess, eh? And that’s not going to get you out of this, right? Tat I could maybe consider that, “What if I could do that?” My view on finances is that they’re all paradigms of success that are all like, you’d only ever play the financial game that you would some level believe you can win, ever.

Robert Leonard 22:06
This whole conversation brings me back to one of my favorite quotes and that is, “You can’t just work on the days you feel good. You’ll never get anything done.”

Gary John Bishop 22:14
Look, if you’ve, if you have a passion as a human being, right? If you like, for instance, if you like cycling or painting, or if you’ve got a passion, you’ll notice when you go to engage with that passion, you don’t have to get yourself up for it. You get embroiled in it, whether your passion, again, is sports, or arts, music or whatever. When you’re in it, it’s like everything else disappears. When I was a musician, we would practice hours and hours and hours and hours and hours every day. And there were times in practice when I’d be playing, and I’d get lost in the plane, I can be so in those moments. I had no problems.

That’s the same across the board in your life. Whatever you’re authentically giving yourself to, you will become wrapped up in that thing in your life. You’ll start to experience the ways of being that one would, when I’m authentically engaged with something, like people go running and get lost in it. They’re just like, it’s like there’s no noise in their head. Or they paint or they read. And it’s like they get into it. But where’s all your negative thoughts, then? Well, they’re not there. Well, why aren’t they there? Because you’re authentically engaging in something that you’re inspired by. But what if you just did that in various areas of your life? Like, if you just gave yourself to what inspires you? You might have a different life.

Robert Leonard 23:41
So what actions can someone take? And this is very cool. I see this very often is what if somebody wants to start their own business, and they want to branch out on their own, they have a good idea and they want to pursue it? But you know, they try to get help on social media, or they talk to their friends and family about it. And all they get is rejection and criticism. What are the actions that somebody can take to actually get over that?

Gary John Bishop 24:02
There’s one little piece that I think sets people apart, every single successful person, all of them, in the area of life that they were successful in, had one thing in common, all of them. And the one thing in common that they had is that the thing they were up to was bigger than us, and that they made giant leaps in those areas, even when life presented them with overwhelming evidence to the contrary. It all comes down to this ever growing relationship to yourself. That what you say is more important than how you feel.

Most people don’t keep promises to themselves. They keep it to the other people. But they don’t relate to the promises that they make themselves as being important. Although I can just forget that now because you know, it’s raining. So I said, I was going to run every day, but it’s raining. You don’t realize the kind of gumminess. It starts to show up. Most people don’t make bold promises and bold commitments. They just know that like the too many times when they just never do it. We are adapted to how we feel. I’m not getting up because I feel tired. But you could get up and feel tired. So most people just succumb to the body, they succumb to their confusion. They succumb to other people’s opinions.

And the people who are high operators in this life, and the areas where they operate at a high level, you’ll see their word that is what falls out there most is more powerful than anything else. And by the way, I should add, if you’re listening… you spent one day, keeping every promise. One day, doing everything that they know they should do. And I mean everything that you know you should do it for a day. That’s the way I need to be every day. If I was that way, every day, my life would be unrecognizable. Like I said to you at the start of this, I’m not up against anything. I’m not up against society. I’m not up against media. I’m not up against… I’m only up against myself. People tell me what can’t be done. I mean, they’re going to listen to that, or I’m going to go beyond what people tell me what can’t be done. I mean, they’re gonna listen to that I’m going to burrow in and find a way. But ultimately, it’s always, always, always ,always going to come back to me.

Robert Leonard 26:31
I can relate to that so much. There’s been times where I set my alarm, and I hit snooze, and I go back to bed and I don’t get up. And I noticed every time I do that, it makes the next day harder. And then the next day harder and the next day harder. But that one time that I do get up early, or I get on time for my alarm clock, it starts to build on itself, and then the next day and the next day, and then it starts to become easier.

Gary John Bishop 26:51
Right, I mean, imagine you broke your word to other people as much as you do to yourself. You’d be the kind of person that you wouldn’t hang out with.

Robert Leonard 26:59
I don’t want say easy. But is there an easy way to get better at this?

Gary John Bishop 27:04
Yeah, there is an easy way. You got to start, you got to start relating to it like it’s a muscle, like you’re going to the gym or something. And I call it my integrity muscle. It’s like, I’m going to start living my life like my words matter. You know, I make promises to myself. I don’t mess with it. Some people hear what I’m saying and they’re like, “Oh, yeah, that’s right. Gary, that’s a good idea. I should be careful what I promise in future, right?” No, I’m not saying that either. I’m saying make some bold promises, go out beyond yourself, and then hold yourself to them.

Most people in this world of ours, they’re struggling in making a life. You know, consider 300 bucks a week. And that’s a hard life. And all the thoughts and all their attention and all their skills are all focused on solving that $300 a week problem. So every waking moment, you have the problem. And on your mind, that 300 bucks a week would get you. For the most part, you’ll find… you’ll just about solve. And then you might start expanding a little bit. Well, you hope you get a promotion and get up to 380 a week. Because that would be good. And so you give your life and your thoughts to solving that problem. And then after a few years at 380, you’re like, you know, I need to make a break here for something. I think I could make 600 a week if I got a job doing… and you give your life to that.

What if your problem is two grand a week and you had to solve it this week? You solve that next week like that was and it’s a, that’s a big chunk of money for most people. Some people don’t make that a month. But what if like your every waking hour was producing that? How would you do? And the first thing you’ll notice is all the shit that you’re ready? No, that makes no difference. You have to start engaging with a different kind of thinking. You’d actually have to invite a different set of problems in your life, like the two grand a week problem, which is a big freakin problem, if you’re only making 300. Most people’s answer to that, by the way is do more of what I’m currently doing. Or some fantasy, “Gonna start renting no condos.” Dude, you got 10 bucks in the bank, right? So it’s always like, one ended *inaudible*, I’ll work a bunch of overtime and maybe get another job, which is more of what I’m doing. Or some fantasy, not like, no, I got it put myself in the place or places where $2,000 a week is what people do.

Robert Leonard 29:47
There’s so many things in there that you just said that I absolutely love. One of my favorite things is when you talked about keeping the promises to yourself like you would somebody else. And this whole time I’ve been thinking about that. And it’s so true that if you try, if you treated other people, like you do yourself in terms of promises, you wouldn’t want to be around yourself.

Gary John Bishop 30:07
You know, I’m not hanging out with that guy. He never does anything that he says he’s gonna do. He says that but he does something else.

Robert Leonard 30:13
That’s really interesting. And I think if millennial investors who are you know, still early in life, if they can learn that now, and apply that now, the rest of their life is going to be completely different than the trajectory that they’re on now.

Gary John Bishop 30:27
This isn’t  a young person, right? But for different reasons than it was to be a young person in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, or the 80s. And they all had their own complexities for being a young person, you know, for being somebody who’s at the beginning part of your adult life. It’s very challenging, these are very challenging times. But again, not for the same reasons as everybody else. But I would say to people, you know, I mean, I have three young sons, my oldest is 14, my youngest is actually five today.

And one thing I want to instill in my kids is that, first of all, like they have a big heart, they have a lot of compassion for other people, okay? And that’s important to me that my children are compassionate, and maybe even more compassionate than most people are. But it’s also important for my children to realize that the cavalry aint coming. Nobody’s coming to save you. You’re not gonna get the breaks, Luck is not gonna come your way. And if you want to make great things happen in your life, it requires you to be great. It requires you to do great things to be what I consider to be an extraordinary human being that is, somebody who produces extraordinary results, you have to first embrace your own ordinariness.

What makes extraordinary people truly extraordinary, isn’t some character trait. It’s that there are ordinary people who don’t want extraordinary things. That’s what makes them extraordinary, they first embrace their own humanity. And I guess that’s what I want a lot of people to care. You’re the one, you know, the stuff that you complain about, or you want change, that you want to be different. It’s you. That’s why you’re having the thoughts about it. And I know we often look, you know, on TV and radio, and we look at others to step up. But it’s on you. Because it can be challenging, presenting people with something that they don’t want to hear. But then I always come back to the same thing. But that’s what I’m here for. Like I can’t back off that. I’m here to give people something to wake them up to their potential. Get out any law you find. I know it’s not always easy. And it might be easier for some people rather than others. And that’s just how it goes.

Robert Leonard 32:44
And if it’s harder for you, that means the upside is just going to be that much greater.

And look, even if it is harder for you, so what? I mean, if I look at my own childhood, and you know how that went and growing up in Scotland, growing up in the neighborhood that I was raised in and it is tough, man. And a lot of kids just never manage to break out of it. And that doesn’t make me special. And it’s kind of sad that some people might think that it does. Because there’s nothing special over here. I’m as ordinary as the next human being. And so I might just be an example of what’s possible for an ordinary human being. And that’s what I want to help people to get, like you have a tremendous capacity for life. If you finally took yourself on, you might surprise even you.

I recently read Draymond John, who is a Shark on Shark Tank. I read his book “Power of Broke” and it reminds me of this idea. Hhe talks about how if it’s harder, that’s actually a benefit for you. If somebody has it easy, then maybe they’re not going to feel motivated enough to actually go out there and make change. Whereas if it’s going to be hard, you have to be motivated. And that’s the only way you’re going to get it done.

Gary John Bishop 34:01
Right, which so he… that’s a lot of accuracy. Now, there’s a lot of value in being motivated by something, okay, being motivated, to get out of something, where a lot of people get stuck as they get resigned, because it’s not moving fast enough. Or that it just seems impossible, like you’ll never get out of it. And what I like to say to people, it’s not necessarily about getting out of it, like there’s a day, when you’re out of it. It’s about the kind of life you get to live by taking that on, right? It’s about who you get to be, the kind of human being you get to be, the kind of who you get to be in your family, who you get to be in your community, who you get to be in your city, in your world. By being the kind of human being that you’re willing to embrace a big life, you get to know yourself as somebody who you’re up to things and you’re making a difference and that you matter. And that you have a say, rather than just joining in with a slipstream of everybody else, trying to make it, in the hope that one day, it all turns out.

Robert Leonard 35:15
If you were to boil down everything you’ve written and discussed over the years, what is the number one piece of advice that you’d give to a millennial who wants to invest in bettering themselves and to really take control of their future?

Gary John Bishop 35:26
Your future is not the answer to the present. So if you’re miserable right now, and you’re working on things, here’s what you’ll find. You’ll get there, and you’ll be wealthier and just as miserable, right? Because the problem is, it’s still you. If you were to ask particular people who are pursuing financial success, whatever that might be, some moving target, but let’s say it’s a million dollars or $10 million, or whatever, purely ask them well, how come you’re doing it? What’s it really all about for you? Like, who would you get to be when you did it? And people usually say much the same thing, they usually say something like, happy, content, or free. So that is my pursuit of the money. The money cannot like, I’ve identified that number as happiness or content, or freedom for myself.

So I invite people to practice things like joy, and I really mean it. Or practice being satisfied, or practice being powerful. Practice it, okay? If I was being powerful, right now, what would I do? All that… I probably wouldn’t say you’re watching Netflix, make over the laptop, better research, make a couple of phone calls. That’s what being powerful would do. In my mind, I have equated $10 million with being powerful, but I could actually be powerful right now. I use the future as a way to inspire life, not have hanging out there like something I’m putting the rest of my life on hold for, like one of these days, I’m going to be happy. No, I’m not interested in how to use the future as a way to widen the life that I’ve got, right like bring something to life in my life. The future isn’t about fixing yourself. The future is about bringing something to life. You have this tremendous amount of power with yourself. Like to be who you say you want to be, and ultimately do what you say you want to do.

Robert Leonard 37:32
I really hope my audience here is is taking everything you said and really processing it. And if you have to go back and rewind two times, or three times and re-listen to it, I recommend you do that. Because if you guys take what Gary’s telling us today, and really apply it in your life, your life is going to be very, very different from where you’re heading now. So I highly recommend doing that. And if you want to learn more about you, Gary, where can people go to find more about you and all the things that you have going on?

Gary John Bishop 38:00
You can go to my website, garyjohnbishop.com. I also recommend, you know, join me on Instagram. One of the things I’m really committed to is that people get, you can develop yourself without it costing you thousands and thousands of dollars. So I you know, I like to give a lot of free stuff away. And you know, in an array of subjects, and I talk about subjects, and I put little quotes out there and I explain them. I love people who really think about their lives in new ways. So join me on Instagram, on Facebook, on Twitter, and I’m very active online. I’m really interested in connecting with people, you know, because authentically my life is about empowering others.

Robert Leonard 38:40
Like I said, guys, go back, listen to this episode again. Listen to it two or three times and I’ll be sure to put links to all of Gary’s resources, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, his books. Everything will all be in the show notes. I highly recommend going to check it out. Gary, thank you so much for your time today. I really appreciate it.

Gary John Bishop 38:57
It’s been my pleasure. Good luck with your show.

Robert Leonard 39:00
Alright, guys, that’s all I have for this week’s episode of Millennial Investing. I’ll see you again next week.

Outro 39:07
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