[00:01:45] Preston Pysh: How about the ARK? I was there and I was just talking with Max and Anna, and they’re like, oh, did you see that? We did the first ARK transaction with Cooks and some of those folks. And I was just like, no, are you serious? Because the last thing I heard you needed software for that to happen. And they’re like, no, they did it. And I was like, what? So yeah, that was a really big deal.

[00:02:05] Rod Roudi: See if we can go on a tangent right now, because you know, when I got into Bitcoin, which was like in 2017 to 2018, we were doing—remember the Lightning Torch when we were just trying to pass around a Lightning invoice?

[00:02:17] Preston Pysh: Yeah, yeah.

[00:02:17] Rod Roudi: Like Jack Dorsey to Odell, to Adam Back. It was hilarious back then. But now you got Square introducing Bitcoin payments at the POS. You got ARK on Layer 2 making a better implementation to make Bitcoin money. It’s simply amazing.

[00:02:35] Preston Pysh: For people that maybe aren’t very tech savvy—because we’re nerding out with some of the terminology here.

[00:02:41] Rod Roudi: And I’m not tech savvy either at all.

[00:02:44] Preston Pysh: But in general, what this is doing—so ARK is another protocol that some of the best engineers in the space have been working on. And what it enables is—like, one of the challenges you have with the Lightning Network is managing your channels.

[00:02:57] Preston Pysh: If you’re going to do it, you’re custodying the sides, you’re opening the channels, and you’re managing that inbound and outbound liquidity. It can be really burdensome, super annoying. And so what they’ve done is create these virtual UTXOs that then settle on-chain. What this is enabling is, if you’re a vendor and you want to accept Lightning payments, you want to go Layer 2 and accept these immediately-settling Bitcoin payments…

[00:03:23] Preston Pysh: Now you don’t have to manage this inbound and outbound liquidity. You can use this other protocol in conjunction with Lightning, called ARK, that allows you to just use it kind of seamlessly and not have to worry about the liquidity of the channels, which is massive.

[00:03:39] Rod Roudi: It’s huge. Massive. And honestly, like at these local meetups, Alex from the ARK team—they were, I’m pretty sure, just messing around with it in Testnet at Bitcoin Park months prior to that. And it’s just so cool to see it live and in action.

[00:03:56] Preston Pysh: Yeah. I was really surprised. I didn’t realize that it was going to be happening there. And then seeing it, I was kind of blown away.

[00:04:03] Rod Roudi: But that’s the thing—like yesterday I was at Block’s Proto Rig announcement in Dalton, Georgia. It was fantastic. You got ARK, a small team building on the payments layer with hardly any resources. And then you got a big company, Block, that now is heads-down building in the mining space.

[00:04:23] Preston Pysh: This is Jack Dorsey’s company.

[00:04:24] Rod Roudi: Yep. And Jack was there. Don’t trust, verify. Do your own research. But with that said, there’s just so many amazing people, and I truly believe Bitcoin’s this gravitational force. It’s the common denominator that brings people together to build really cool stuff. And what Block’s doing right now, especially with Proto, with Thomas leading them on the hardware side—making these modular rigs—it’s impressive.

[00:04:46] Rod Roudi: Because before, you’d kind of rip and replace when machines would break or fail. Now you can put these modular boxes in, completely interchangeable. And one of the things that really blew me away, because I hadn’t really gotten to meet the team before…

[00:05:00] Rod Roudi: …Like Jack was like—and one thing that Jack mentioned to me was, “Rod, you see all these people that are on the team?” And I said, “Yeah.” You know, one thing that’s striking to me, Jack, is you’re saying 11 years, 16 years, 10 years at the company. You guys have been building a Bitcoin company, I think, since 2018, 2019.

[00:05:17] Rod Roudi: So they were at Cash App or Square before, and now they’re at Proto and Bitkey and so on. He’s like, “Yeah, and if you go one layer below that, now they’re all Bitcoiners too. Now they all get the mission and they’re all on the mission.” And I was just like, wow. I mean, didn’t they get into some big stock ranking, like the Fortune 500 or something like that?

[00:05:38] Preston Pysh: Yeah. They recently hit the 500.

[00:05:39] Rod Roudi: Okay. And it’s just—it’s so fascinating. And it’s like so much of this whole AI wave. Every day it’s just going to get better. Is Bitcoin going to get easier to use and better money? Every single day it just gets better, which is so cool.

[00:05:53] Preston Pysh: I want to get back to the AI thing. But on the Block announcement, the thing that I find really fascinating is he has these engineers that are hardware engineers, production line engineers that understand the whole production process—making sure that when you bring something to market that is hardware, it’s not immediately obsolete because there’s newer tech.

[00:06:15] Preston Pysh: They understand interoperability. They understand that you have to be able to swap cards so you’re not throwing away the whole rig. They understand all of this.

[00:06:24] Preston Pysh: What was the other thing that you would say came out of the big announcement there? Because it seems like the modularity of the cards and being able to keep using the hardware and swap as better tech comes out was a big deal. Was there anything else that you found really fascinating?

[00:06:40] Rod Roudi: I’ll say two things, just from my perspective. One, there was a lot of head nodding—meaning they did the work for a year plus on this. And when Thomas was doing his keynote, he was mentioning: we went to a bunch of you guys, we went to sites, we looked at the pain points. They designed based on that kind of feedback. That’s one.

[00:07:03] Preston Pysh: Yeah.

[00:07:03] Rod Roudi: Two—you would think because this product is for everyone, who are your biggest customers? So it was really cool, because we were at the core facility and actually got to see it live. Some people are like, “Oh hey, don’t worry, two more weeks, then we’ll plug it in and it’ll work.” But this was live running at the facility.

[00:07:12] Rod Roudi: And you would think from a business opportunity standpoint, you’d just focus on big miners because they have the biggest purchase orders. But it was awesome, Preston, to see my friends Scott 9000 from the BitX Project, Eco from the 256 Foundation, and the Wilson Mining Brothers—just these guys who are building it out.

[00:07:38] Preston Pysh: Scott was in Riga, so he must have gone straight to this.

[00:07:42] Rod Roudi: Oh, he went straight there. Took a two-hour ride from Atlanta to wherever we were in Georgia. And he was just like, “I’m ready,” because he’s been waiting for this for a long time. Yeah. But to continue on top of that, there were West Texas miners—shoutout to the Choya guys. Brad Cuddy. Then there were the big miners, I mean you had CleanSpark, their entire executive team was there.

[00:08:02] Rod Roudi: Foundry CEO Mike Collier was there. And the fact that Jack and Thomas and the entire team—Jenia, all of them—invited these different groups was a testament to their approach. They weren’t just getting feedback from the biggest buyers. They wanted input across the board.

[00:08:23] Preston Pysh: Yeah. So much of this is really difficult. I know Blockstream’s been working on something to bring to market, but I haven’t really heard their timeline. I talked to Adam Back, what, two years ago at this point—maybe two and a half years ago—about it, and it seemed like they were working on something.

[00:08:40] Preston Pysh: It’s not easy. This is really hard stuff.

[00:08:42] Rod Roudi: This is not easy. With that said, and not to put a plug in for the Custody and Treasury Summit as well as Imagine If, but Adam and Shaun Belle are coming, along with you. And I think that this Blockstream asset management stuff they’re doing on the finance side is really interesting.

[00:08:57] Rod Roudi: I don’t want to speak for them, but what Adam and Shaun and the team Shaun’s building around him—it’s intriguing. You know me, I’m not the TradFi finance guy. I’m more of a community builder and entrepreneur. But there’s something there.

[00:09:12] Rod Roudi: A lot of it to me is still noise and vaporware, but there is signal, especially on the business side and on the capital allocator side, to create different investment vehicles that give exposure to Bitcoin, the underlying asset. So I think Blockstream is really going to focus there.

[00:09:34] Preston Pysh: Yeah. Adam’s been coming up with super creative things for years now.

[00:09:39] Preston Pysh: Let’s talk a little bit about the Custody Summit. Tell me the dates for this.

[00:09:43] Rod Roudi: Yeah, September 17th and 18th. On your calendar, Preston?

[00:09:46] Preston Pysh: It is. I swear.

[00:09:48] Rod Roudi: I know. No, you’re the man. So it’s really cool because there’s so much going on in Bitcoin—it’s fascinating. Every second it’s like, wait, there’s another thing happening.

[00:09:58] Rod Roudi: And all of them seem cool. I think with the Park—and you’ve been so kind to participate in a number of them—we’re really creating and curating these experiences around something specific within the Bitcoin and Freedom Tech space. So I didn’t really want to do this, but I felt inclined to create a Custody and Treasury Summit. Because a lot of the conversation is around the acquisition of Bitcoin.

[00:10:22] Rod Roudi: And buying Bitcoin. But I do think custody and treasury need to go hand in hand. If you’re a small business owner, an individual, or a large company, what’s your treasury strategy? You’re making a hundred million dollars of profit—what percentage are you sweeping into Bitcoin? What’s the strategy? Are there ways to increase that exposure? There are so many conversations to be had.

[00:10:52] Rod Roudi: But in my opinion, one thing that always needs to happen is: what is your custody? What’s your counterparty risk?

[00:11:00] Rod Roudi: Yeah. And so one of the cool things at the Park—you’ve been so kind to be a member and support us—we’re now able to make more investments in education, research, and content. We’re going to introduce a custody white paper every single year, really digging into custody. It’s like, cool, we’ve got these treasury strategies, now here are the custody strategies.

[00:11:17] Rod Roudi: And I’m not even dismissing full custodians like River, Strike, or BitGo. There is a strategy for that. But I want to showcase and platform all the different flavors of custody: full custody, collaborative custody, multisig, single-sig, insured custody—like what AnchorWatch is creating in that category.

[00:11:41] Rod Roudi: So I think the conversation’s going to be brilliant. Parker, yourself—just like institutional custody.

[00:11:47] Preston Pysh: So for example, you’ve got Fidelity, you’ve got these really large players. The thing everybody’s talking about is Bitcoin treasury companies. If they’re conducting institutional-level custody, is that a topic you guys plan on covering?

[00:12:05] Rod Roudi: Absolutely. Yeah. It’s going to run the gamut—from the institutional side down to the individual side. Because when you speak to the institutional side, almost every individual says, “Okay, well, what about me?” If they can learn it individually, they’ll be better equipped to talk about it in their boardrooms and other conversations.

[00:12:25] Rod Roudi: Right now, though, the unfortunate truth is institutional custody is basically just Coinbase. There’s not a big conversation beyond that. I’m trying to level it up and showcase all the other solutions so people know what’s out there.

[00:12:44] Rod Roudi: And I’ve got to give kudos to Fidelity. I believe they’re custodying their own Bitcoin.

[00:12:51] Preston Pysh: Yeah, they are. And with ETFs, I think what happened was the first ETF got through and they listed Coinbase, and everyone else with an application just said, “Okay, that one’s going through, let’s all use Coinbase so it’s not a roadblock.” Next thing you know, everyone’s custodying their ETF at Coinbase.

[00:13:12] Rod Roudi: I couldn’t agree more. I remember in 2017 and January 2018, it was always “two more weeks and the Winklevoss twins are going to get their ETF approved and Bitcoin’s going to a hundred K.” And then nothing happened. For five years it was just choppy, no line of sight to an ETF.

[00:13:43] Rod Roudi: Then ARK and BlackRock filed, and suddenly all these ETFs had a template. Everyone followed it. This is Cathie Wood’s ARK, by the way—not the ARK protocol we talked about earlier.

[00:13:49] Preston Pysh: Right. Just to be clear, this is Cathie Wood’s ARK Invest ETF, not ARK the protocol.

[00:13:59] Rod Roudi: Exactly. And that’s why I hold both sides of the argument. I can totally understand being worn down from applications, ridicule, and then being treated like the bad guys when all you want is a spot ETF. Gary Gensler, that’s all we want.

[00:14:21] Preston Pysh: Yeah. On this topic—so I found the custody thing really exciting. Here’s why: I was in Lugano teaching a class on corporate Bitcoin treasury. The class had incredible questions, and one concern kept coming up: “Preston, aren’t you concerned that all custody is getting centralized in one place?”

[00:14:48] Preston Pysh: And I said, well, I share that concern. I’m not dismissing it. But let’s play the tape forward. Warp 15–20 years into the future: in my opinion, every company on the planet will have some form of Bitcoin treasury or savings on their balance sheet. Maybe not at MicroStrategy’s scale, but they’ll be sweeping retained earnings into Bitcoin.

[00:15:31] Preston Pysh: That means tens of thousands of companies will need custody solutions. Are they all going to consolidate into just Coinbase or a handful of actors? My opinion is no. There will be an incentive for more institutional-level custodians. The good actors will get the business; the bad actors will be washed out.

[00:16:11] Preston Pysh: Where my frustration lies is that the hardcore Bitcoin zealots who self-custodied for over a decade got us here. They brought us to the brink of global adoption. Now institutions want to hold it too—but they can’t hold it the same way you do because of auditors and regulations. And the old guard looks at this scenario and gets pissed.

[00:16:43] Preston Pysh: I agree with the concern about centralization. But you can’t be mad that institutions want to hold Bitcoin. They’re just trying to survive, like individuals.

[00:17:11] Rod Roudi: I think you nailed it, Preston. It’s like the ETF process: they want to be in the game, but they have their own security protocols and compliance to conform to. Over time, like with the Lightning Torch, we’ll look back and say, “I can’t believe we were all custodying with Coinbase.” The incentives will push toward multiple custodians, proof-of-reserves, attestation reports—it’ll all come because it’s a competitive advantage.

[00:18:16] Rod Roudi: At the same time, we need to keep protecting Bitcoin’s properties. No cutting corners. We need to always be able to self-custody if needed. That’s going to get interesting, especially with more treasury companies announcing purchases. At some point someone’s going to add up all these holdings and say, “Wait, there are 21 million Bitcoin, but these treasuries add up to 23 million. What gives?”

[00:18:42] Preston Pysh: I keep hearing that point too. I don’t know what to tell people. In equities, you value businesses as a multiple of earnings capacity, not by the dollars in the vault. Same with Bitcoin. The earnings potential tomorrow is what matters, not just what’s in the bank today.

[00:19:41] Rod Roudi: How many kids do you have? The saying goes: just try to get one Bitcoin per kid and call it a day.

[00:19:41] Preston Pysh: Yeah. What it shows me is a lot of people in this space have never thought about valuation. And that’s creating a culture clash between institutions finally arriving and the hardcore Bitcoiners.

[00:20:00] Rod Roudi: See, this is where—what’s that meme? “I’m trying to get away, but they pull me back in.” Preston, your role is going to be front and center. Not to boost your ego, but you’re so well respected within the Bitcoin community—and deservedly so. You’re invited to Riga, Baltic Honeybadger, developer events—you’re the guy.

[00:20:27] Rod Roudi: And on the institutional side, you have great relationships with people like Senator Haggerty and others who respect your opinion. You’re one of the few who can bridge that gap. We’re going to see the next evolution in Bitcoin, and I’m cautiously optimistic.

[00:20:47] Preston Pysh: Yeah, I’m very optimistic. But honestly, it’s getting frustrating. Really frustrating for me. I’m trying my best…

[00:20:58] Rod Roudi: Well, you’re doing a heck of a job. Let me just keep boosting you up because here’s the deal—

[00:21:02] Preston Pysh: Please do.

[00:21:03] Rod Roudi: There are three currencies, right? Time, capital, and reputation. A lot of people overvalue capital at the expense of time and reputation. They’ll waste time, miss family moments, or risk their reputation just to increase capital.

[00:21:27] Rod Roudi: But you’re doing an unbelievable job of putting your reputation in the right places, bridging the gap, investing your time in the right communities. I’m thankful you’re coming to the Custody and Treasury Summit. You’re traveling to Riga, Latvia, El Salvador—ego death or not, you care. And so do many other Bitcoiners.

[00:22:00] Rod Roudi: There’s a lot of chirping online, but in real life, when I see things like ARK payments working—it gives me energy and hope. That’s why I’ll create another hundred summits. Because IRL conversations are 100x better than any keyboard commando arguments.

[00:22:23] Preston Pysh: Yeah, amen to that.

[00:22:25] Preston Pysh: Let’s talk about physical spaces, because you’ve expanded the network. For those who don’t know, what you built in Nashville with Bitcoin Park—there’s now a Bitcoin Park in Austin. Walk us through that.

[00:22:41] Rod Roudi: Yeah. So it’s the Commons. Parker Lewis started Bitcoin Commons. The mayor of Austin—now head of business development at Zap—was focused on building Zap and asked me for help. The Austin community is amazing. The density of developers, engineers, and entrepreneurs there is unbelievable.

[00:23:26] Rod Roudi: I was going there almost weekly at first, just day trips. I’d text a few friends, then a few more. For the first meeting, we had 14 of the best Bitcoiners you could imagine. I thought, “Should we just do a summit right now with these people?” But it takes real work to continuously organize a community—meetups, workshops, summits.

[00:24:00] Rod Roudi: My time, capital, and reputation are all-in on Bitcoin Park. Parker and the Austin community even trusted me to help build it. We hired Andrew Davis and Jack Lesser to lead Park Austin and Park Nashville. Rob Warren heads our research and education—he’s the one authoring our custody white paper.

[00:24:22] Rod Roudi: And to your point—there need to be more resources that are signal, not noise. Cathie Wood has been kind to collaborate with us on Bitcoin Brainstorm. Her team and ours are now working together on research. One of our first papers is “Killing Bitcoin: Easier Said Than Done.”

[00:25:00] Rod Roudi: I want us to be more adversarial in conversations around Bitcoin, more vigilant. So ARK Invest is publishing this along with Bitcoin Park. Cathie has been incredible.

[00:25:07] Preston Pysh: She really is awesome.

[00:25:09] Rod Roudi: I’m a nobody, and she and her team wanted to do this with Bitcoin Park. I thought, “They do the crypto thing, I’m Bitcoin-only, is this going to work?” She said, “This is called Bitcoin Brainstorm. You curate the show, we’ll produce and distribute it. And I want to be there.” I thought she’d just show up once, but we’ve recorded 18 episodes over two years now.

[00:25:37] Rod Roudi: We just had Paolo from Tether on, along with Dr. Laffer. It’s been a blast. Locally produced, globally distributed, high-signal Bitcoin and Freedom Tech content is a huge need. That’s our focus.

[00:25:52] Preston Pysh: Yeah, I love it. I got to meet Dr. Laffer and Cathie. Not just meet them—I sat on a panel with them thanks to you. Huge honor. Tell the audience a little about Dr. Laffer and how quickly he got Bitcoin.

[00:26:17] Rod Roudi: If you get the chance to meet Dr. Laffer, cancel everything and make it happen. His energy, curiosity, and directness are amazing. He’s a big brain. For those who don’t know: he was an economic advisor for the Reagan administration, author of the Laffer Curve in economics, and Cathie Wood’s mentor—he taught her in college.

[00:26:42] Rod Roudi: They’ve stayed very close, and I’m pretty sure he’s on ARK’s board. He and Cathie have a great relationship. He’s based in Nashville, his office is nearby, and his team often comes to the Park. Sometimes I pinch myself—like, what timeline am I in?

[00:27:08] Preston Pysh: I don’t think I’ve been to the Park in the last four trips where there hasn’t been a senator there. Every time I see the people coming through your events, I’m like, is this real?

[00:27:29] Rod Roudi: And they’re in dad jeans and New Balances. Whether it’s policymakers, Dr. Laffer, Cathie Wood—these amazing people want to learn from us. One of our core values at the Park is no gatekeepers. We create authentic connective tissue among our members and the broader community.

[00:28:14] Rod Roudi: That’s also why I wanted to do Imagine If, to be honest.

[00:28:21] Preston Pysh: Explain Imagine If. This happens after the Custody Summit, right?

[00:28:21] Rod Roudi: Yeah, September 19th and 20th. I’ve been dreaming of this: a summit of summits. Cathie planted the seed—she told me there’s a convergence happening between Bitcoin, AI, energy, and other industries. They’re colliding, and it’ll be fascinating. We need to bring that conversation to light.

[00:29:00] Rod Roudi: I knew Cathie and Dr. Laffer together create magic. So I asked ARK to partner with me: I’ll curate, you produce and distribute. They said yes. Cathie’s coming. Dr. Laffer’s coming. Adam Back, Odell—all these leaders are coming.

[00:29:38] Rod Roudi: And when policymakers hear names like Adam Back or Preston Pysh, they’re like, “Oh, they’re coming? Great, tell them we said hello, we’ll be there.”

[00:30:13] Rod Roudi: Already, 65 companies and over 200 people are registered for Imagine If. Companies like xAI, The Boring Company, Blockstream, AnchorWatch, BDK Foundation, TVA, and even nuclear energy players like Kairos and Orano are attending. It’s going to be dreamers and doers—Jack Dorsey dreaming of decentralized mining, his team executing on it. Bringing both groups together to imagine bigger and implement the world we want.

[00:31:31] Preston Pysh: It’s interesting because those three things—Bitcoin, AI, and energy—are converging, like galaxies colliding all at once. The fact you’re bringing them together is brilliant. I can’t even imagine what’ll come out of that. If I were a policymaker and I wasn’t hyper-focused on those three things, I’d be missing the boat.

[00:32:11] Rod Roudi: Exactly. And I’m biased toward Tennessee because I live in Nashville. We have an unfair advantage with the TVA and Oak Ridge National Lab. We need to leverage that, especially with small modular reactors (SMRs). The state already created a $70 million fund to kickstart nuclear investment.

[00:32:44] Rod Roudi: My vision is: every September, Imagine If brings leaders from all three industries to Nashville. Maybe you can’t attend every year, but you’ll know this is the summit to tune into. That’s where meaningful connections happen.

[00:33:06] Preston Pysh: From a policy standpoint, they should just open the floodgates—promote these industries with tax incentives. Put the right laws in place and you’ll magnetize these companies to the region.

[00:33:31] Rod Roudi: Georgia seems to be doing that with Core Scientific. That’s why Block held their Proto announcement in Dalton, Georgia. The lieutenant governor, state senators, council people—they were all there.

[00:34:23] Rod Roudi: For Imagine If, we’re being intentional. Invitations are required. At every event I host, from small meetups to large summits, I say: I take pride in making this the best Bitcoin and Freedom Tech experience you’ll have all year.

[00:34:41] Rod Roudi: Capital allocators are especially interesting now. They see Bitcoin’s potential, legislative support, and want exposure. Do they invest in infrastructure? Treasury? Entrepreneurs? Assets? They come with notebooks, taking notes like students. That’s why curation matters—of both content and attendees.

[00:35:26] Preston Pysh: You mentioned AI earlier. Give us your rundown—where are you with AI right now?

[00:36:06] Rod Roudi: You have to integrate it into your workflow. I use voice-to-text for almost everything now—it’s 5–10x faster than typing. Same with AI: commit to using it. Don’t just try once and give up. Subscribe, use it as your default search.

[00:37:27] Rod Roudi: Anything repetitive should be automated with AI. That frees energy for higher-value work. There’s slop out there—lazy AI use—but if you use it well, it’s powerful. For example, I always wanted to write more. Now I brainstorm with AI to crystallize thoughts and publish essays I couldn’t have managed before.

[00:38:30] Preston Pysh: Same here. In engineering-heavy meetings, I catch maybe 10% of the details. But now, with transcript services, I can feed the entire discussion into AI and query it afterward—like having the best expert sitting beside me.

[00:40:31] Preston Pysh: For Imagine If, you should provide transcripts of every panel. Put them on the website. Then people can query them: “What’s relevant for energy policymakers?” Or “What insights matter for entrepreneurs?”

[00:41:08] Rod Roudi: Great idea. The website is BitcoinPark.com/imagineif—shoutout to Jack on my team who coded it. We’re already using Cursor AI for parts of it. And you’re right: curation of signal is the most valuable thing. That’s our role—curating high-signal content.

[00:42:37] Rod Roudi: Imagine if policymakers, engineers, or entrepreneurs could instantly pull highlights tailored to them. That’s where we’re going. And by organizing content around our summits—Energy & Mining in January, Grassroots Bitcoin in April, Custody in September—we can publish annual white papers and make them queryable by AI.

[00:45:54] Rod Roudi: That way, before attending, someone could ask: “What five things should I know for Custody & Treasury Summit?” Or “Who’s speaking on multi-party custody?” That prep maximizes connections and learning.

[00:46:01] Preston Pysh: Alright, Rod—we could talk all day. But if people want to attend or learn more, where should they go?

[00:46:10] Rod Roudi: Preston, first let me thank you. Some days are tough with travel and the workload, but what you do is phenomenal. It means a lot to the Bitcoin and investing community. We’re still so early—we need more people like you.

[00:46:34] Preston Pysh: Thank you, Rod. That means a lot.

[00:46:36] Rod Roudi: I’ll see you in Nashville, September 17–18, for the Custody & Treasury Summit. Go to BitcoinPark.com/custodytreasury and join the waitlist—it’ll sell out soon. Lineup includes you, Parker Lewis, Adam Back, Shaun Belle, Odell, and more.

[00:47:12] Rod Roudi: Then Imagine If, September 19–20, at the Fisher Center for Performing Arts near Bitcoin Park. Expect 300–500 people: capital allocators, policymakers, entrepreneurs across Bitcoin, AI, energy, and Freedom Tech. It’ll be gnarly.

[00:47:53] Preston Pysh: I’m bummed I’ll miss that, but I have a family obligation—a wedding for a close friend.

[00:48:37] Rod Roudi: Congratulations to your buddy Joe. And that’s what we’re building at the Park: durable relationships. This year you’ll miss it, but Cathie, Dr. Laffer, Senator Haggerty, Senator Blackburn, and others will be there. On the energy side especially, I’m eager to build deeper relationships.

[00:49:18] Preston Pysh: I think it’s going there, Rod.

[00:49:19] Rod Roudi: Yeah, nuclear folks have been pushed aside for too long. Now they’re feeling the love. And we Bitcoiners can say, “We’ve got your back.”

[00:49:26] Preston Pysh: It’s the Dr. Evil meme, right?

[00:49:28] Rod Roudi: Exactly. Go to BitcoinPark.com/imagineif and request an invitation. Complimentary tickets are available for Park members—it’s a token of appreciation.

[00:49:49] Preston Pysh: Well, you guys heard it here first. Links will be in the show notes. Hope you enjoy Nashville if you attend.

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