MI363: VALUING UNIVERSAL MUSIC GROUP

W/ SHAWN O’MALLEY

05 August 2024

In today’s episode, Shawn O’Malley (@Shawn_OMalley_) breaks down Universal Music Group’s stock and what the music industry looks like from music labels’ perspective.

You’ll learn why Universal Music Group is a more reliable bet on the music industry than Spotify, why music labels have such compelling economics, Bill Ackman’s rationale for owning Universal, how AI could impact the music industry, and whether Universal is currently undervalued, fairly valued, or overvalued, plus so much more!

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IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN:

  • Why Universal is a more reliable bet on the music industry than Spotify
  • What music labels do for artists
  • How streaming has increased the value of music rights
  • What Universal’s advantage is as the largest global music label
  • How Universal’s revenue streams breakdown
  • Why Universal’s business is like selling shovels in a gold rush
  • Why big stars still need music labels
  • How Universal split off from Vivendi
  • The risks from AI and Bill Ackman’s thoughts on AI
  • What happened during Universal’s feud with TikTok
  • What Universal’s health and wellness ambitions are for music
  • Which challenges could hinder Universal the most
  • How to value Universal like Bill Ackman
  • And much, much more!

TRANSCRIPT

Disclaimer: The transcript that follows has been generated using artificial intelligence. We strive to be as accurate as possible, but minor errors and slightly off timestamps may be present due to platform differences.

[00:00:03] Shawn O’Malley: Hey everybody, welcome to The Investor’s Podcast. I’m your host, Shawn O’Malley. Today, I’ll be breaking down Universal Music Group, which is a core holding for famous value investors like Bill Ackman. After diving into Spotify last week, I’ll be exploring the other side of the music industry from the perspective of the music labels.

[00:00:19] Shawn O’Malley: Where Spotify is more of a high growth tech company, music labels like Universal are much more stable, mature businesses. While the major labels have deep moats surrounding their control of recording rights, emerging technologies like artificial intelligence threaten to upend their business. I’ll touch on this and more while trying to value universal stock. With that, let’s get right to it.

[00:00:43] Intro: Celebrating 10 years, you are listening to Millennial Investing by The Investor’s Podcast Network. Since 2014, we have been Value Investors go to source for studying legendary investors, understanding timeless books, and breaking down great businesses. Now, for your host, Shawn O’Malley.

[00:01:11] Shawn O’Malley: To quote an investor from the popular Value Investors Club forum, you can buy Spotify for hopes and dreams, or Universal Music Group for cash flow and returns. Music labels like Universal have the best economics in the industry, and this may only improve as music streaming continues to grow worldwide.

[00:01:27] Shawn O’Malley: Universal is also the largest label of the big three. The other two are Sony and Warner Music Group. Collectively, the three control roughly 70 percent of the industry’s revenue and own the rights to 98 percent of the top 1000 singles. So the music label business is very much concentrated among a few big players.

[00:01:47] Shawn O’Malley: Not only do they have considerable sway over artists, they also have significant clout with platforms like Spotify. If one of the major labels were to ever pull their music catalog from Spotify or Apple Music, it would be devastating to both sides. Labels are essentially responsible for helping artists get discovered.

[00:02:04] Shawn O’Malley: They pay their marketing bills, connect them with the right people, fund their studio costs, and really pull the strings behind the scenes to take someone with a ton of talent and turn them into a superstar. While most artists they bet on will flop, just a few home runs like Taylor Swift or Drake can make it all worth it.

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  • Bill Ackman’s presentation on Universal stock.
  • Music Streaming Royalties 101 article.
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